I found him quite annoying, myself. Nice girl but still jostling with Burnham as the most annoying character on the show. STAR TREK and its various marks are trademarks of CBS Studios Inc. 2023 CBS Studios Inc./Paramount Pictures Corp. 2006-2023 SciFanatic Network | Legal/Privacy Info, Copyright 2023 | MH Newsdesk by MH Themes, Podcast: All Access Dives Into The Latest Episode Of Picard And Probes Star Treks TV (And Movie) Future, BREAKING: Star Trek: Discovery To Conclude With Season 5, Review: Star Trek: Picard Runs Deep In Seventeen Seconds, Watch Picard And Riker Reverse Their Classic Roles In Star Trek: Picard Episode 303 Clip, J.J. Abrams Talks Compelling Story For Star Trek 4; Chris Pine Expresses Frustration Over Wait, I hope Mary Wiseman is okay or has a good reason for her weight gain since S1. Every character aboard that ship represents a minority. And if people are critical of her because her appearance does not meet their expectations, they dont really have a clue of what Star Trek is all about. Its really just certain comments sections and Facebook garbage holes. Fitness may be in the eye of the beholder, as hes commented himself that contempories his age have to hit the head just a bit more often. This modern trend of celebrating obesity is what is wrong with American society, and is another reason why the rest of the world laughs at America. but it looks like she did simply did it because she was her friend and room mate. Episodes will be available on Fridays internationally on Netflix. She is a real girl. It would definitely be great if Rhys was promoted to first officer. Her character of Cadet Tilly in Star Trek Discovery is warm and positive. Plus, TNG literally had a therapist as part of the bridge crew. Tilly is a Harry Kim, Wesley Crusher, Travis Mayweather sort of character at least for me. Why did they do that? If anything is being celebrated, or, at the very least, encouraged, its simple human decency and not judging people by physical attributes alone. Harry wasnt annoying watching him was just sad :-D. Im glad for you that you didnt find him annoying. Do you see that tension? What accent? Not sure what her weight has to do with anything. In CanadaDiscoveryis broadcast on CTV Sci-Fi Channel and streams on Crave. Everybody loves Tilly. Except the writers of course. Id add Kirk to that at several times over the years. Why does the therapist appear to outrank the CMO? The audience is growing due to our amazing loyalty, but I give them credit toobecause Discovery, we have all these new shows. We never saw her effort to become that person. Mary Wiseman as Tilly in episode 402, Anomaly. Picard is the third Kurtzman Production. I can see myself having a few bottles of synthehol with him. I dont think youre ready for that kind of interaction, online, or anywhere else. We use cookies to ensure that we give you the best experience on our website. Where are they!? The Enterprise D was the only place we saw a councelor. I would ask our family doctor, Is there anything you can give me thatll make me gain weight?'. Yet, she is. David Ajala: Legit, its still very palpable here. When a show blankets the airwaves with hugs and confessionals and cheering it tends to make any subtler moments stand out far less, but this is also not a subtle show to begin with. I love Tilly. Sonequa is a great actress. Ridiculous or not, it has been well established in Trek canon that starships have counselors/therapists, and they are often used by the crew. Since you said mum Im going to assume youre in the UK, and I can personally confirm that you can get some great help, including face to face therapy, through the NHS, for free. (80's for ya) Is her awkwardness all that different from Ezri on DS9? Mary's fans are curious to know if she is indeed expecting a little one but the rumors are false. Body shaming is just another category of bullying, with the same general goal of the shamer making him/herself feel superior by putting down others around them, rather than elevate him/herself with goodwill and compassion. Watch as SFX makeup transforms Doug Jones into Saru for Star Trek: Discovery. Other ships having counselors in the TNG era was mentioned. Plenty of curvy ladies are quite healthy and active. This is not a good show and not a good Star Trek Show too. The Trek Collective has a flowchart for the Litverse which is helpful. And I just let the writers take me on a journey. For what its worth Picard has an excellent cast, male and female, it just feels they are one or two notches above their discovery peers, maybe again due to writing/direction. I have this image in my head of the EPs saying to Mack that theyd like species that havent been main characters in other shows and asking him to give a list of options for a big and strong species, a species without a bianary gender etc. Or are you only a troll if you criticize something about Discovery? I did, though. Up ahead, we explain what happened to Tilly in the recent episode and also discuss actor Mary Wiseman's status on the show. Finally, actress Rekha Sharma shared this fun behind-the-scenes photo with Doug Jones and David Benjamin Tomlinson, where she lamented Landry being killed off yet again. Given all the trouble the crew got into, Im sure they needed one on the ship. In fact, it says far more about the body-shamers than it does about those being body-shamed. I mean, there could have been but it was never seen or talked about. Try the Daily Mail for 5 minutes. I wanted to be bigger and I spent much of my childhood, adolescence and even into my young adulthood doing all kinds of things to get bigger. She laughs at the memory. That could explain the weight gain. Theres a little Harley Quinn. Remember , they had steroids and thyroid problems in the 80's, but the majority of people were off normal weight, which today would be called skinny. They seemed to only be limited by what that particular script called for that week. The actors are not slaves to the fans or public opinion. As you put it: I love how Disco has put the human back into the human experience. And I agree wholeheartedly. To be honest I think she is more attractive than the mostly skinny cast of most series. It was a good perspective in S1, and lines up with Star Trek values. Tillys great contribution is that shes NOT that sort of superwoman most people can never be. Its a problem in even some least developed countries now. Ive seen people here and on other message boards body-shame Ms.Wiseman, and its disgusting. I assume my feelings towards them are what Wesley-haters endure. In general, the Litverse kicks off with the TNG A Time to series that fills in events between the movies Insurrection and Nemesis. Mary Wiseman is a beautiful lady as is Sonequa Martin-Green. This week's episode raised concerns. I would not say it isnt a valid creative decision to try this approach, especially in an age where we are emphasizing the need for self-care, its just not to my taste. Its so brutal. Having Tilly be one was justdumb. You had a variety of body shapes on discovery Tilly was thick. There are a lot of people in the comments hating, but in a franchise that includes Neelix, Wesley Crusher, Naomi Wildman, Kes, and Lwaxana Troi, Tilly is frankly nowhere near as annoying as those other characters. If that scene reflects something she regularly incorporates into her real-life, then I think she will be just fine and she can tell the haters to go pound salt. It took this for me to finally accept who I am. So, although he does the occasional guest star role in other shows produced in Canada, he could take on a larger role on Discovery. Then there are many women like Sonequa, who feel theyre too skinny. First of all, because theres more options for cosplay now, because she changed her hair. :P (I know the whole thing of having a *ships* councilor is inherently different from what real therapists do on dry land, but yeah its super weird. The following contains spoilers from Star Trek: Discovery's Season 4 finale. TrekMovie.com is not endorsed, sponsored or affiliated with CBS Studios Inc., Paramount Pictures Corp. or the Star Trek franchise. She is best known for starring as Sylvia Tilly in the Paramount+ science fiction drama series Star Trek: Discovery (2017-present). Maybe having had to step up to the plate before she was ready I think she intellectually knows that she didnt fail, and that its not her fault that Osyraa took the ship, she didnt have all the information, but I still think the fact that that she took command and somehow lost the ship would be an enormous blow to her confidence and make her question a lot of stuff. Because she symbolizes the Trekkies, geeks, nerds. KevinB: I let go of my preconceptions about what star trek is.. No one can argue that Shatner is anything less than fit at whatever age. Ive re-learned through life experiences how to stop and smell the roses again you might say, among other things. After the first two seasons of high pressure I thought I would have seen more growth. By: TrekMovie.com Staff The visual reboot premise was overstretched. All you ever do on this board is show up and attack womxn for being womxn, LBGTQ+ for being LBGTQ+, people of color for being people of color. Shes one of the shows most divisive characters. Shaming is one thing. Maybe Saru wont be on the ship as much but Im guessing they are going the same direction. I always have to correct it, so its not terribly efficient. The door is open, I suppose, if that show should fail for some reason, but I doubt theyll just throw her back into the same role on the ship like nothing ever happened. I actually had an entire epic story mapped out that I was seriously considering turning into a series of novels. See more at the Paley Center for Media Arts' Star Trek: Discovery Fight for the Future exhibit in Los Angeles, now through July 7th. That does so much emotional damage to a personbut it also says a lot about those doing the body-shaming. Heck I think it was more unrealistic when some chick was upset he wasn't ready for sex. Although there are speculations of Mary Wiseman's pregnancy, she is not. Make it make sense! Just more pandering. However, we do know that David Mack does. When Mary Wisemans Lt. Sylvia Tilly left the USS Discovery for a job at the new Starfleet Academy in the fourth episode of season four, it was promised she would be back. Especially when there were just so many more qualified people for the job on and off the ship. Season 4 sees Sonequa Martin-Green's, Michael Burnham, return with her. Mary Wiseman. Im mostly just curious if Tillys removal from Disco came from Wiseman looking to do other projects or if they wrote it in and broke the news that she was getting cut as a regular. Shes a badly conceived written and conceived character theyve desperately tried to bolster. And to be honest, her character has regressed significantly over the past few years. Season four of Star Trek: Discovery arrives on Thursday, November 18 on Paramount+. The character. You either think about what you can contribute to society or how society owes you handouts, respect for above-mentioned bad habits, fictitious pronouns even. I LOVE the future! Star Trek: Discovery's Mary Wiseman and Blu del Barrio reflect on their character's journeys and the possibilities ahead. Jury still out on Books character.definitely ahead of the 2 dimensional bridge crew though. How is she supposed to sound considering nobody knows what people in the 23rd century will talk like? Well, its certainly a good thing that Tilly is a fictional character, and neither she nor the woman who plays her (Wiseman) is in todays real-world Navy.. But the show almost seems to go out of its way every season for some of the dumbest story points you can think of. Thats kind of what I was playing with. At the other end, underweight is also unhealthy and associated with other risks, but gets less negative attention in entertainment. . #StarTrekDiscovery #MirrorLandry pic.twitter.com/Ed0nbToiQH, Rekha the leaves (@TheRekhaSharma) December 19, 2020. Mary Wiseman is sending the message that your body is your own, your responsibility, and nobody elses business, not any sort of health and fitness message. Xanadu? They have solved some of these issues the easy way by talking themselves out of it (Klingon hair, holograms, Ariam being no android at all), now that we are in the future none of it really matters anymore. So many jerks in this world, its good to see decent people. The writers may love the character, but they also appreciate that the actor is a real person who might want variety in their career. Actress Mary Wiseman did a series of media . Its a tricky one, as someone who is outside America and didnt have English as the first language growing up its more noticeable. The show will roll out on Paramount Plus in the US, and is expected to stream on Netflix elsewhere. each series has traditionally had someone that acts as a way to explore the inner humanityie spock, data, odo, doc/seven. Mary Wiseman (born July 30, 1985) is an American actress. Shes a product of poor writing, constantly ditzy and trying to be the light relief to the point where its eye rolling. And over the last couple of years, so have I. Im still not fond of the gory, violent Klingon business of the first couple of seasons, but I slowly began to see DISCO anew. )Granted, I think the special effects, space battles, bizarre technology and explosions are the proverbial tail wagging the dog, but thats always been the case, and is increasingly expected in these post-Star Wars, high tech decades. It's mostly the super-hero genre where you see this. Just IMHO, because to each his (or her, or their) own! The 60s/70s are gone. She never wouldve made it through the Academy. Trolls that bodyshame others are a lower life form. Overweight and obesity are a leading health risk identified by the World Health Organization. It always cracks me up when people say that they hate Tilly. That will be the one I read first! She brings so much heart to the show. Thats a refreshing thing for Berman Era Star Trek, when characters tend to be more reserved and the dialogue is highly stylized and precise. Yeah, self absorbed is an excellent way to describe her character, Id never thought of it that way. David Ajala: Yeah. I would just be happy if Rhys got more than three lines an episode lol. These are not well-written or well-acted characters, and they weaken the series every time they show up. She went away and supposedly became an amazing well rounded person. A Stitch in Time kicks off the Garak/Cardassian books and is excellent. It is one thing to be healthy and quite another to be reed-thin and healthy. Let it die. And to be honest, she never really helped him out all that much. Mary Wiseman is a good actress but even with that, if Star Trek Discovery was shot in 80s or 90s producers would probably force her to go on a diet or even fire her. Barclays ticks do get really annoying. I saw someone just last month asking on a Facebook fanpage if Starfleet had some kind of physical fitness standard and if so, shes violating it, ect.the same old idiotic abusive misogyny disguised as genuine concern. And if youre able to use that against someone, that could be very, very dangerous. But I did not watch DIS S4 either. Mary Wiseman: That was a really good teaser. I think Saru will just be the surrogate first officer again although he is now a captain. Its been sooo inconsistent from day one. It is not others right to tell someone how their body should be that sort of thing was done with slaves. Find more stories on theStar Trek Universe. By the way, could of isnt English. I have nothing against Mary Wiseman. And doesnt that just make the point about the difference between fitness and apparent chunkiness or curveyness. Shes beyond perfect with her line delivery. And Kirsten Beyer probably consults on that show too along with her duties on Picard and Discovery, so its possible at least. You are always very insightful. There have been moments where they tried to do that, but like everything else on Discovery where self-doubt and emotional scenes of worry in darkly-lit rooms need to be front and center, they always seemed to bring Tilly back to spazzing out because she was nervous about whether she can do it before being put on a mission. And its funny that you bring up needing constant therapy as a bad thing when a ton of real life people see a therapist on a regular basis. Lol. So sayeth Scotty, the contrarian. Have to disagree. To even suggest that is stupidity writ large. That could be it. This post (handouts bad habits yada yada yada) is your latest misogny, homophobia and white supremacy , and I am sick and tired of it. I read somewhere that Gates McFadden and Marina Sirtis had somewhere in their contract a stipulation that they had to fit into their costumes. When Mary Wiseman's Lt. Sylvia Tilly left the USS Discovery for a job at the new Starfleet Academy in the fourth episode of season four, it was promised she would be back. I'm finding Star Trek Discovery to be incredibly dull and childish. This is a part of the reason people cant take to them, alongside their poorly written characters. Shes fantastic and looks fantastic doing it! Im not counting on it. Jerks. This show has been for a niche of Trek fandom not the mainstream. And, in that sense, it is okay to be used as it was above. With predictive spelling and multiple languages available, incorrect word choice is a constant threat even when one does type in the correct word. My personal opinion is, if you see ribs in their low decolletage, they are probably not so healthy. Why wouldnt someone want to be more like that? As for the debate about sending the message being overweight is good: the heart of the issue is that everybodys body is their own, not health and physical fitness. Thats just a matter of preference. It would make sense if you knew the story ;) Lets just say Jake did write his famous book a couple of years after the end of DS9, but in the years and decades ahead he went on to much bigger things and took his career and his life in a very different direction. Tons do, yes. I highly doubt the writers decided to just write her off for the hell of it (especially given how much everyone in the cast and crew love her). Her character, Sylvia Tilly, has had plenty of opportunities to shine without giving anything away, and Wiseman has risen to the occasion. This was her character and then had perhaps one or two incidents where she became a little more focused and then off screen came back a different person. I hope were able to explore it because theres potential for great levity, but then also really important conversations to be had because when you care about someone you dont want to see them go through pain, and I can see completely how Tilly will be very protective of Michael Burnham. Being encouraged to eat only what ones body needs is another thing entirely. Well, Renos really more engineering. Martin-Green says she has come to accept changes in her body, especially after the birth of her second child shortly before production on season three: With my first pregnancy I bounced back without trying (which is a crime, by the way, that we expect women to do that after birth rather than focus on healing). I absolutely love Tilly/Killy. It was EXACTLY what I needed while mourning my own mother. David Ajala: The first thing that comes to mind, is maybe hes a borderline narcissist, vry egotistical, and self-absorbed. Loved that show, so did my wife. Of course my original statement still stands regarding Tilly becoming Sarus Number One. Let's get into the details of the actress's weight gain, which has also been linked to her pregnancy. I think Mary is doing a fantastic job as isSonequa, Their characters are fantastic as are all the others. Im not surprised people making mean comments, some people will find whatever they can that they know will upset everyone and say it. Not with DSC, not with ANYTHING. Sylvia Tilly was an ambitious female Human Starfleet officer who lived during the mid- 23rd century. Which I think would be a tremendous mistake. No it says a lot about the incredibly dangerous message she is sending. Im glad for you that you didnt find him annoying. You two are Michaels boyfriend and best friend, so does Michael becoming captain create any new tension in season four? Gotta side with Sascha here. And second of all, just to dig into it, you dont always get to see a woman like me in that sort of position. Sometimes it worked over amazing distances other times not. Promoting her to the first officer was stupid enough, but now shes leading at the Academy? And I belong., After reading the Forbes article, Wiseman got some backup from someone who knows what its like to be a woman in the captains chair: Kate Mulgrew, who thinks Mary is killing it on Discovery and should pay the haters no mind., I saw the @Forbes article on Mary Wiseman @may_wise clearly killing it onscreen & off in #StarTrekDiscovery. I also know hes basically your favorite Trek author. I know a thing or two about haters-pay no mind. As soon as she was, they should have rewritten Tilly from being a cadet to being a lieutenant or something. However, if we got to see Tilly gradually improve herself. Some of us dont grasp the very basic foundation of what Star Trek is all about!? In fact most of their fears and phobias were explored in various episodes. Obesity and overweight are associated with health chronic issues by definition. Shes magnetic. Story: With . Then maybe I would actually remember his name! Was that really a Betazoid characteristic or was she just reading faces and gestures? PS. We use cookies to ensure that we give you the best experience on our website. We have both Mary Wiseman and Sonequa Martin-Green talking about body issues, Kate Mulgrew jumping in too, and some more behind-the-scenes photos. Tilly looks great and her weight is a not a issue. Key difference in thinking, and it makes all the difference in the big picture! I hope that Wiseman uses that info into the future because it does work for fat burning and muscle building.. Saying that its the job of actors to tell people whats healthy and whats not is the problem, not a solution. Its very possible Mary Wiseman wanted off the show, or needed a bit of a break. As an officer shes supposed to be leader. Funny enough, I have never had a problem with Wesley. CBS/Paramount+ For Wiseman's Tilly, the danger and near-loss of all the cadets, including Adira (Blu del Barrio) forces her. I would expect more from the Star Trek crowd, which is usually quite enlightened. By existing? With Discovery now firmly planted in the distant future, Paradise notes the importance of ensuring that that show remains connected to the larger Star Trek universe through well-placed references . In season one and early season two, I was finding it credible as a case of someone who had unresolved PTSD and was unmoored from the culture that had encouraged her to supress her trauma. I gave this dumpster fire of far left propaganda 4 seasons. I think criticism of the actors is wrong as well, its not about the actors its what they have been told deliver. 108 comments so far. Agree. I suppose thats why some places are rising and others are very visibly in decline. Take me to the stars and tell me a story. Mention one thing or person loved by EVERYBODY. Bullied badly as a child and teen so I know what I speak of; Im just glad I grew up pre-Internet, and I sympathize with any nowadays who have to deal with Internet bullying on top of real world bullying. Well second most after Burnam , she was fine in season 1 and 2.past 2 seasons theyve rushed her character developmentsame with michael.the vulcan minded human became human real fast. How does Tillys scientific mind come into play in solving the crisis of the anomaly in season four? The Delta Quadrant is a dangerous place, and the remnants of species and societies that survived around the edges of the Borg network and incursions were harsh and justifiably skeptical of the Federations. It makes it quite American centric. Ive never liked Tilly. He was non-military, the same height as me, and easily weighed 300#. Theres a difference between celebrating obesity and accepting individual human beings, treating them as human beings, and not targeting them specifically for emotional harassment. Do I want to be Barclay or Harry Kim? My condolences to you, for your mum. So when very capable people feel un-capable, crazy things happen. Overweight and obesity are not a matter of looks or body shape, and those who feel free to body-shame are off-side and frequently unkind. Sisko on the other hand. But then again Im not a troll. Janeway is bridge crew, of course she was coming back! The message she is sending how? I just wonder if maybe they are adapting the basic idea to what we are seeing in Prodigy since the Protostar couldve been part of the Full Circle program and was sent back to the DQ for a specific mission? Yes but Star Trek shouldnt be about lazy writing, poor character development and bad storytelling. Miss Wiseman F those fake Trekkies/Treksters keep acting your ass off. Absolutely. Why do you think being nervous or anxious means that you can not graduate from the academy? We love that someone who isnt super fit was cast, especially that its a woman. So I think we pick up with her after some time has passed since the events of that season, but shes still sort of not really sure what to make of it, and everything that used to be really comfortable isnt sitting as comfortably as it used to if that makes sense. The rumors started and spread like wildfire when some fanatics of Star Trek Discovery found out that Mary gained a few pounds between the seasons. Star Trek is supposed to be socially progressive but this show went too far. Where is this? They just didnt do much with him. We use cookies to ensure that we give you the best experience on our website. It is their choice to be as they choose to be, and their responsibility to deal with the pros and cons of whatever fitness choices they choose. I could watch Tilly all day! I am a therapist in real life, and even *I* think it was crazy that they had a therapist on the bridge. The Terra Firma arc introduced the real Mirror Universe version of Tilly (aka Captain Killy). Her message was not that its okay to be overweight (and shes really not that overweight, nor should it really matter), but simply thats it okay to be her flaws and all. Tilly is part Wesley Crusher and part Barclay. Waste of talent. As a Black girl, I felt I was supposed to look this way. New episodes ofStarTrek: Discoverypremiere on Thursdays onCBS All Accessin the U.S. andonCTV Sci-Fi Channelin Canada, where its also available to stream onCrave. should take a pear of pruning shears and cut off that little pecker of yours (its what Killy would do). I just dont remember if it was something I read years ago or if it was in an interview with Gene. And no one in their right mind would play poker with her. This was to reveal the true intents and emotions of the players in each plot, which highlights the role they play in momentous choices in high-stake situations. Too nervous and anxious. Now if it turns out, Burnham was being influenced by an alien entity or she has been given insight into the future which made it imperative that she rush Tilly into becoming the Number One, then I can accept it. Diplomacy? And honestlyKirk wouldnt last a week in a military environment. I agree 100%. Lwaxana sometimes I dont mind her simply because she puts Picard and Odo on their back feet, but she was very OTT on shows that didnt really have a lot of OTT characters, and there was little reason for her to keep appearing on DS9 beyond reverence towards Majel Barrett. Sense of morals. How blandly Puritan. Perhaps season four will address Burnham and Tillys unreadiness on more than an emotional level. That was an awfully fast turnaround. Roddenberrys imprint on Next Gen made the characters not flawed enough for some tastes, granted, but Deep Space Nine, Voyager, and Enterprise have countless examples of human foibles and emotions sure, not to the degree as Discovery, with its ship full of Barclays as one commenter put it, rhetorically. Yes! Mary Wiseman: That that could be a very powerful person in the Mirror Universe. Im glad you figured out what works for you, but Im not cool with a Star Trek board in 2021 focusing on an actors weight or appearance, especially when its a man commenting on a womans weight. But I have to say, when they named her Killy, it made the already off-kilter character even more ridiculous. Its been a continuing book series since 2009 and still going. Stupid decision to bring her back. ;). Many smoke to keep the weight off. Good for Mary! With his skill and abilities, we will see how he may use them in a way that may affect his relationship with Michael Burnham. I would encourage her to do the same. Bad, character pandering types of writing, with over-emotional children in the roles of astronaut-scientist-soldiers. I think that she is one of the go-to people when there is hard science stuff to crack.
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